against a pack of feral dogs a .38 Special is highly effective and lethal. Bears have a way of sneaking up on you. So that information has sort of vanished.. Not your problem when facing a legitimate threat from a bear. I hope that you had a good camera and a long lens to shoot it. The S&W Govnor and the Taurus Judge are not what you would want in bear country. Si saw a black bear last year, and got lost running away from it. With that said, feel free to carry bear spray if you want. I also have a Ruger Redhawk in 45 Colt and I carry my hand loaded 300 gr hard cast bullets. Personally, I do my best to avoid any encounter that could turn ugly, but thats not always the case. The Hodgden #25 manual does show loads for a 200-grain bullet using HS6, Trap100 and HP38 powders. These lions belong there. Phil has over three decades of experience guiding hunters and fishermen, and understands their habits as well as anyone else alive. If the Hellsing 454 Casull is ever made (semi- auto), I want one. May 12, 2018. You need to be able to kill a bear in a moments notice, most times a bear is just doing what they do , when suddenly a stupid hiker startles the wild animal and It sees you as a threat ! Killed a mountain Grizzly but did not get my polar bear. One guy, a native of Alaska (Marty) carried a .22 Magnum revolver. They are not fun to shoot, not fun to carry. The young boy said he could not feel the teeth because they were dull, but Paul did feel the scratches from the big paw. The mountain lion also occasionally preys on domestic livestock and pets. In the question of "Is the .22 LR Long Rifle within the ideal range of suitable calibers for cougar or . I doubt that I have walked past a moose without noticing. But .380's tend to be small handguns, and with a mountain lion if it's within the accurate range of a small pocket gun you're likely already dead. Unless you are an expert hand-gunner with tons of real world experience.. carry a rifle and have the pistol as backup. You'd be much, much better off with bear spray. And if he could run too fast, any caliber will work for knee caps!!!! the 45 Colt has the advantage. Im glad she now carries the Liberty ammo. Its much harder to retrieve spent brass fired from a semi-auto On my next trip I will get a gun with a 4 barrel!! I want POWER ! It was there all night and broke its leg, trying to get free. The Freedom Arms Model 83, in .454 Casull, in a serious piece of gear. I would also explore all the different kinds ammo available that would be the best for an attack by a bear. And this is why Glock 29s and Smith & Wesson 329s exist. Im curious as to why you only show five rounds of .45 LC with your Ruger. For actual hunting a big bear, 375 H&H; I guess I love the classics. By Mary Forgione. The BS in this article is deep. Cork Grahams rig. They are thin skinned and with a broadside shot would drop it like a rock, with one shot. Most of the revolvers mentioned in this article are double action. .357 magnum will probably work as long as you're not running into any bears .44 magnum is preferable. Also, for killing venomous snakes. Buffalo bore makes a 380 grain hardcast gas checked round now too. Conflicts between mountain lions and humans have become more common in recent years due to habitat degradation and increasing populations. The .45 Colt makes a formidable handgun cartridge, especially in a pistol as strong as the Blackhawk, where the pressures and velocities can be ramped up a bit. Into a wheel gun ! I am reminded of a survival show that aired a few years ago. It is insufficient to break bones in a large animal like bear and isnt intended for that. When I head afield, I nearly always carry one form of sidearm or another, and while the truly dangerous encounters are definitely a rarity, I feel better knowing I can protect my loved ones and coworkers should the event unfold. They invited me out and told me that if I go, be forewarned that there are grizzlies about. Use a handgun. 4 5/8 inch barrelpretty comfortable to carry . I have a CZ52 that shoots the old PPsH Tokarev LMG round. Thats a lot of lead and a lot of head ( aka, big meplat). bullets would probably only allow one shot, one handed. elk The Hornady Critical Defense .410 loads (slug + 2x .35 cal balls) are rated at 750 feet per second. Full size 9mm is better, a rifle/shotgun with it's longer sight radius is even better (with the .380 as a backup still). However, I dont think that a short barrel revolver will produce such a velocity. Protect your neck, throat, and head. Hunting, My close friend and ex-county sheriff assures me that, unless you are acting like an idiot, most sheriffs here in Colorado will just shake your hand and wish you a good day, IF they happen to see your with a magazine with > 15 rounds. +P Semi-Wadcutter HP Ammo [38G] - $20.95 Or if you are really recoil sensitive these would work pretty well, non-plus p and low velocity. I will keep my 4 Smith and Wesson (K-Frame) Model 66 stainless .357 Combat A few years back I went to Alaska, rented a 44 pickup camper,& spent 6 weeks in the boondocks, with only my wife. The California Department of Fish and Wildlife has granted a number of these in the last week, The Los Angeles Times reported. My choice is the 500 S&W. BTW the 2nd encounter was by a friend who was carrying that old M572 shots on a wounded grizzly same load did him in. But the animals are wandering into populated areas more regularly in search of food. I had a face off not far from lake Iliamna with that combo and would not have traded it for the world. Sources It seems to be a matter of carrying largest caliber you can for the situation, with the proviso that you be able to deliver sufficient rounds on target. Like I said before , I wish someone would make a 416 Rem Mag. But, he says, for now, money is tight and he likes his old service size S . You have to be a reloader or know a reloader to get this, but it is well worth it. A single action handgun is not a good choice as a defense weapon in any scenario. No thanks. Once at night on a fishing trip in the beartooths we had a grizzly fooling around out side the tent, Out I went with my trusty .475 in one hand and a flashlight in the other. ALL RIGHTS RESERVED. Mace or a .45 Colt? 8gr 800-X will put some lead into anyones pencil. However, please dont cast aspersions toward those who have done their own homework and made their own best choices. Ive hunted brown bear three times with a hand gun only. You should first attempt to fire a warning shot to scare off the lion before it attacks. Laboratory work several days after the attack would have indicated rabies. Government paid hunters were also paid to do the same. I carry a SW 500 in a chest rig as backup. In this case, fortunately, the uncle had time to retrieve the handgun from a vehicle. I have used the Casull to take a lot of game including several black bears so I understand the terminal ballistics of this cartridge pretty well. If the attacking bear is perfectly downwind, you will have some chance with bear spray. Youre just a hokey guy who tries to be funny by putting others down. a lot of hunting forums ive read recommend at least .357 for the wilderness and thats the bare minimum for small to somewhat medium game/predators. (I have killed or watched others kill several with an ax when I was guiding. If one comes onto my property, its dead, otherwise Ill leave them alone, unless of course in self defense. Why not? What I really love I the light weight of the Blackhawk, its great in a shoulder rig. Required fields are marked *. NEDERLAND A mountain lion killed after it attacked two dogs in a neighborhood near Nederland on Dec. 27 had no dog remains in its gut when it died, according to a Colorado Parks and Wildlife necropsy report. Exceptional combo when paired with the right revolver and load. Again, please keep in mind that we only have black bears to contend with here in New York. Hardly know its even there. We killed about 5 hogs every week he shot them with 22 never saw any that didnt fall over dead. Great advice. Recoil is managable and porting helps, not like 454 casull or 460 mag, no, let me guess 500 s&w is the only option, the first pistol to come with wheels! For both wilderness/rural vs. urban/metro I cannot Thank you! Young cubs are emerging for the first time, and mothers are ultra-protective. For small game, a 38 Spcl. Does that mean my woods gun a .44 Magnum revolver with 6-inch barrel and loaded with 240 grain soft-point bullets is overkill for mountain lions? Ultimately, some gun is better than no gun, and too much gun that youre unable to get proficient with is a problem. wild berries and plums, and of course during hunting season (deer and elk for instance) Now thats an appropriate comment. Mountain lions have been terrorizing livestock in Lake County over the past weeks, and this was not the first instance to be reported to authorities. Its a simple concept. Stupidity has no limits ! Colt Magnum June 7, 2018 At 19:23. All of these four-legged animals that have attacked humans are in my state: Needless to say, the culprits were evicted, the wing was evacuated and the room needed to be completely gutted and refinished. Department spokesperson Peter Tira told LA Times: "It's been a day-to-day, hourly kind of situation. I believe that model Ruger is single action, right? I also have a small Freedom Arms in .500 Wyoming Express. And yet if you carry an effective caliber/bullet combination for coyotes and small mountain lions, you are seriously underpowered for the big beasts in the woods. Go to any gunshop youll find plenty of all those calibers for sale, used with very low round counts, wonder why? I read an article recently that said you are statistically more likely to survive a bear attack using mace rather than a sidearm. My colleague and friend Bryce Towsley (brycetowsley.com) is a veteran gun writer who has considerable experience with bears of all sorts. He ran to get the gun, and when the animal started to investigate whether P.J.s head was bite-sized, Smith told him to shoot the animal, which he did with one extremely well-placed shot. LOL. The bfr is very easy shooting postal and extremely accurate. It definitely works. is probably better than nothing but foolhardy in my opinion. The most restrictive, California State Proposition 117, passed in 1990, prohibits the killing of any mountain lion except in the case of an animal that poses a direct threat to people, pets, or . There is an interesting compilation of mountain lion incidents and attacks titled: Cougar Attacks & Other Incidents -2000 to date. killed a mountain lion years back with a 3 inch 629, 240 grain hollow points, was not impressed. They have great hunting senses that help them spot prey along with sharp claws and powerful bites. Id be packing heat. can of bear spray is your best defense, for within 50 feet. I learned more in this article about wildlife and practical sidearms than any other article to date in thirty-five plus years. Buffalo bore and underwood make fmj,hardcast and exteme hunter ammo. Does Bear Spray work?.. A man accused of taking part in the Jan. 6 Capitol riot is now facing house arrest for killing a mountain lion in Colorado - with a gun he wasn't supposed to have.. Patrick Montgomery was . fresh kill 1994 watch online. My wife carries an old Model 60. uh://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/?utm_source=email&utm_medium=email&utm_campaign=article_title_1.1, https://www.seattletimes.com/seattle-news/two-attacked-by-cougar-identified-wildlife-officials-say-predator-was-emaciated/. Regardless, I draw the line at 10mm and 45 Super as my bottom 2 choices in bear country. 9. There is no doubt that bigger and more powerful handguns are preferable for hunting but self protection at close range differs greatly from hunting as it requires quick, often multiple hits, from close range while under extreme stress. A good friend used to go to Alaska to fish. Everyone Practices Cancel Culture | Opinion, Deplatforming Free Speech is Dangerous | Opinion. or wherever. The 357 mag is much better then the 40S&W as well. Loaded with a hard cast 250 gr bullet at about 1050. But mountain lion primarily subsists on large ungulates, small mammals including porcupine, hares and rabbits, ground squirrels, and beaver may also supplement its diet. ( Watch a Florida panther pass . Im somewhat challenged with smartphone technology. I am a handgun hunter who lives in Wyoming and hunts the Beartooth. Id never seen tracks that huge. chasing after and retrieving spent brass. I do not shoot rabid animals in the head for fear of spreading the rabies virus from the brain, I do not know if this is true or not but thats what Ive been told. The authors well-worn, and well-loved Ruger Blackhawk in .45 Colt is a perfect handgun for bear country. Ruger alaskan, or Taurus Raging Bull in 5 or 6.5 ported, .480 ruger with 400g hardcast pushing 1100fps or more. Since Proposition . The third racoons I shot was hit behind the heart lung area with a 7.62x 25 , it flinched from the shot, turned, growled, and continued towards a timbered embankment and possible escape. I stopped the pickup and as it went down the incline one shot hit the abdominal cavity and another between the shoulder blades, it crawled about two feet and died. He lives every day with brown bears and has guided to dozens if not hundreds of them. If I cant do it with that then I guess I was destined to lose that fight. But please.no one has mentioned marine flares..is the problem that they do not work or that they are too slow to activate. Now, the black bear is generally speaking a rather docile creature, and most of the time it will make every attempt to run away from man. your comments hold great weight with me!! It has been updated through June of 2017. and the 45 colts are equal if used in modern stout pistols. Grizzlies make mock charges; black bear do not or thats what the experts say. Both are excellent sidearms but leave something to be desired when confronting big game in the boonies. Something I doubt the 500 or 460 blunderbuss allows. Colorado Parks and Wildlife said the man, identified on Thursday as 31-year-old Travis Kauffman, is "recovering well" after the self-defense attack on Feb. 4. coastal brown bear looks like at a distance of 50-75 feet! After watching a grizzly tear apart a moose calf in the Tetons I took my s&w .40 to a pawn shop and traded it for a .41 magnum Taurus tracker with a 4 ported barrel, The S&W .500 was too heavy to carry while hiking. There was a story this week of a California child attacked by a mountain lion, allegedly 10 ft. from his family. While attempting to release the Grizzly an accident occurred with the bear on top of Numerous attacks this summer, to include at least two confirmed deaths. However many decades ago, I was a PPC competitor. feral hogs Certainly, they have before. Trained dogs can be used to capture or kill depredating lions. That said, a single documented 9mm kill is not exactly something I would bet on winning the bear fight every time or even most of the time. You have entered an incorrect email address! The Interior Grizzlies are not like your fat on salmon Brownies. My gun will push the strong 300-grain hollowpoints to just under 1,200 fps, and thats a formula that can end a confrontation. Ill stick In the early hours of 25 November 2016, the day after . Another survivalist carried a lever action .357 MAG rifle. It is illegal to injure or kill them. I recommended getting a .357 Magnum or a larger caliber. When a bear is facing you even if you penetrate the meat and skull, the skull is angled flat so the bullet would probably ricochet rather than penetrate. Mountain lion study highlights. Of the pistols that you listed carry the one you shoot best. Can a wolf beat a mountain lion? Humans make a choice to attack you and deserve what they get. vermin such as raccoon, skunk, possum, etc. Our neighbor asked if I would come over and put it down. I love packing iron, but in a 44 mag, 300 grain load minimum for bigger critters. Same applies to the Redhawk if you insist on a DA. I carefully googled this story using the locationImpossible to find any story that confirms that what you said id true. Its available right now, only in 9 mm, .40 S & W and Their saliva or blood can kill you even after the animal itself is already dead. The lion had killed the livestock but had not eaten them, The Mercury News reported. 45 & 9mm do not get past the fat layer to break bones and damage vital organs. 357. I placed a dollar bill next to the track and took a photo. We now have on earth more humans than were ever born since the beginning of mans evolution and with the masses of excess pollution we have already destroyed the planet we are living on. Self-Defense, I like the S&W 460 as well. where do you come up with this bullshit. I know there are some folks out there that carry handguns in the bush, but in a dozen years I didnt meet many, either agency folks or sportsmen. They can be found throughout the state apart from the southeastern desert and the Central Valley. Now that we have hogs in the area, I want to upgrade to either an AR pistol in .50beo, a revolver in 500SW / 454Casull. After all that I have come to some conclusions about killing things with a handgun. It will drive a 300-grain bullet to over 1,600 fps. Its a gun I have confidence in when Lmaoand excellent thought below about the 454 brass trimmed down. Bullets dont tend to divert in the wind at the necessary defensive distances. Im sure that by now youve all heard about famous Alaskan bear guide Phil Shoemaker (grizzlyskinsofalaska.com) , who thwarted a grizzly attack with a Smith & Wesson 9mm automatic, loaded with Buffalo Bore hard cast ammunition. With a double-action police type service revolver I can unload all six spent shell casings into the palm of my hand and thus . I simply killed her with kindness, responding: for the same reason you dont buy bathroom tissue, one sheet at a time, MAMM. That being said I would never recommend a .22 for bear protection or hunting. Hunting and slaughtering are hardly a comparison. load of No. A doe once got a hoof caught in the top of a cyclone fence, near our property. Light to carry, manageable recoil, do a quick reload of 125jhp and your good for CCW. So far, Ive never seen anything bigger than a hare, but it never hurts to be careful. vintage Smith and Wesson Model 66 is a classic beautiful handgun with pinned barrel, By the time I am loaded with bow, backpack, and tree stand, I am at 50 plus pounds and I am 50+. trunnis goggins wife; can a 38 special kill a mountain lion. First shot went wild as the bear clamped down on his forearm and shook him. He put his mouth directly on top of his head, and I think if the head had been smaller, hed have been picked up.. Most exhibit the same irrational fear of bears as the rest of the country and irrational fear does little to generate rational ideas. Theyll put down vermin, but small may not put down dangerous game. I own several Casulls, but my favorite handgun is a 5-inch, custom Freedom Arms Model 83 that Ken Kelly tricked out for me. This is a real concern on the outskirts of . HSM .45LC 325 grain is a real stopper. "It is unlawful to kill a mountain lion without a permit for the California Department of Fish and . The BFR 45-70 was not mentioned. That is a political and social problem.. Hollow points are better for stopping large game if you are pushing a fairly large bullet, 250 grain and larger, at fairly high velocity 1400 fps +the larger bullet with the higher velocity will give you enough penetration for the hollow point to do its job. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. If you are confronted by a bear, leave the deer or food and do not run as this triggers the predators instinct to charge after you as prey. All silliness aside, this illustrates a challenge for a woods gun. After all bears are quite well armed are they not? I once was a .460 Rowland fan, too, at one time. A .38 snubby? Ok Rambo ! I am from Houston, TX. Penetration is what is needed, no hollow points. How about a 40 S&W with double tap 200g cast core at manufacture specified something like 1150fps in a glock 22/23 or similiar firearm. just my 2 cents. Mountain lions have a size advantage, a power advantage, and more weapons in their arsenal to kill a wolf. would have been just as well dead anyway. most likely you sleep in your rig also. He has spent more than a bit of time in pursuit of bears, hogs, and other game animals with a handgun, in addition to time spent in the Alaskan game fields. 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