**Specialty round for snub nose revolvers (low speed expansion)**, Copyright 2009 | Ballistics101.com | All rights reserved. Anyone else think the same thing? More stopping power. Faster bullets are generally more reliable for downrange shooting because they dont drop nearly as much. I decided to further streamline my test by using three pistols from the same manufacturer. Good evening! If you are going to use that short of a barreled P.C.C. A key advantage, as stated, is the 45's shallower penetration for home defense. The 45 has been used by the military FAR longer than 9mm and the 9's are used because they are cheaper, more available and have easier recoils. I don't own a .45 (except a Pietta .45 Long Colt cowboy gun I target shoot in the mountains- I love it), but my son does have a couple of 1911's which he loves and says they are fairly easy to conceal carry. This would most likely result in you firing at the assailant in a less accurate fashion as well as possibly harming others. That said, the. While the 147-grain Federal HST expanded from 9mm (roughly .35cal) to on average 15mm or .61-inches, the .45 ACP expanded from (again, roughly) 11.5mm to 25mm (.45-inches to 1-inches). One of the main reasons why military personnel and many LEOs made the switch to 9mm handguns was because of the deeper bullet penetration. I agree the best caliber for you is the one that you shoot the best . Every time. The campground lot got sold. Best Barrel Length For 9mm Based on the data above, it appears that almost all loads tested got their greatest percentage increase in velocity up until about a 7" barrel length. . It appears that overall, the optimal barrel length for 9mm (for something like an AR-15 pistol build, SBR, or similar setup), is about 7 to 8 inches for maximum efficiency and handling, though going longer can still have benefits. I have tested multiple barrels and loads and found that a 1/4 inch usually equates to 25 to 35 fps. Login Register. In addition to firearms-related work, Josh enjoys working with animals and researching conservation projects in his home state of Michigan. At home, 12ga and .45 ACP. This is a valuable consideration to those who want one load across the board for their carry gun and duty rig. You follow the directions on the can. to find out what would be the optimal barrel length. In the debate of 9mm vs 45ACP, I choose 357 magnum and 10mm. I am really leaning toward the dog in a .45 it also comes in 9mm though for who likes that. Glock 43 9mm is my every day carry, IWB. I could not agree with you more on every level. Go home safe. If you want knock down power take up boxing . Next, speed of follow-up shots doesn't come from the caliber. Do your research. All the targets, conclusion is I guess if your shooting steel targets you better use ar500 steel if you don't want to destroy them with you .45, but for self defense : If you seek peace, prepare for war. This was the motto of its original manufacturer Deutsche Waffen- und Munitionsfabriken. The switched to the 45 because they needed something that transferred more energy to the target to knock them down. Both handguns have a huge following thanks to their popularity and success in the field. So I'm an operating room nurse in a level 1 trauma center. This cookie, set by Cloudflare, is used to support Cloudflare Bot Management. Maybe 45 has a bigger physical wound channel (Ill leave hydrostatic shock out of it, though the high speed footage of it in ballistics gel is compelling) and 9mm can go through a few extra boards so it evens out. My grandfather gave it to me back in the early 1990s before he died. Something I noticed was that the percentage of loss among all nine millimeter loads between extremes in length was approximately 10%. Will still have a long-range, full length rifle or carbine slung over my shoulder tooWhy compromise when it comes down to multiple enemies wanting you dead or wanting to taste your brain? So .45 is the guarantee to punch big holes, with 9 you have to have the right conditions. You fire at the armed person/s and take down the threat. I don't believe that MEN can Kill the SOUL.It's GOD BREATHED Genesis 2:7. and since the "SOUL" is "GOD-BREATHED", then The SOUL is "IMMORTAL".! Even though this is supposed to be an excellent round, with great expansion in gelatin, this bullet had almost zero expansion. I may not always be there. "taken to hospital with life-threatening injuries" is a standard line because police and EMS cannot pronounce death. In states like Connecticut where magazine capacity is limited to 10 rounds, would this restriction alter the debate in any way? For example, American Eagle makes 9mm full-metal jacket rounds with 115-grain bullets and 147-grain bullets. If Im going for a fragmentation round, give me a .357 SIG from Liberty Civil defense at 2,300 FPS. Except for maybe a BB gun! Thanks for the one sided argument. I'm sticking with ole tried and true 1911. Makes me question my choice of 10.5 pistol. They want a 210 or better the 1st time through and then you get back to work. This raises some interesting issues regarding the relationship between kinetic energy generation and impact-effect. Mechanics of Handgun Wounding Maybe for law enforcement but not personal defense situation. It's compact yet carries 14+1 stock mag or 19+1 extended mag. Try a .357 magnum . And sure it wont hurt to have extra rounds its just not necessary, people try to bring up the multiple attackers argument and the same applies, 2-4 rounds to end an attack. My EDC is a Glock G30 and I have two Home Defense weapons, a Glock G21SF and a .300 Blackout AR 15. The domestic manufacture of war material was not remotely able to resupply the entire UK armed forces. 3. Bullet tech has come a long way for the .45 also.. ya ever seen the hole a .230 grain HST makes?..960 dia. I also carry the Ruger LC9 as a backup. So what if they are on the opposite side of a wall? You must dress around your guns. Modern ammo has not only benefited the 9mm. I think there was a fundamental mistake about over penetration in this article. The point that the wound tracks are almost the same according to the 2014 report is very surprising to me and frankly illogical looking at the bullet size, both uncollapsed and collapsed. Use a gun and round that you can shoot well - which takes practice. My 45 acp has a muzzle velosity of 1000 fps 510 foot lbs. My 9mm compact carry S&W Shield semi-auto has a ported barrel. Yea! AR-9s and other like 9mm platforms. We can hit a moving target at 75 yards away. click on the expand picture button on lower right hand corner. Personally, I feel 9mm needs a boost in its speeds, because you are sacrificing bore size. Was this test set up as a DOE (Design of Experiments) or an OFAT (One Factor at a Time) test? During the EVAC of Vietnam, one VC was dusted with a .45 to the shoulder and he was DRTdead right there. More velocity, bigger size, more magazine capacity, great penetration, manageable recoil, compact frame. If I am passing through Welfareville and Methport on my way to the Promised Land, My TP 9 with 5 extra loaded 17 round magazines of 115 grain JHP will be with me. You can not spell and have no idea what punctuation is. The 9mm had a very distinct and predictable step in every load tested. With so many differences, its essential that you understand how muzzle velocity will impact performance. Loss of speed is tied to a concept of ballistic coefficient,. So, I disagree with the Taylor KO index . I don't think the debate will ever be answered. Now, there are already bazillions of guns out there in the US, and Americans are never going to give them up, noway, nohow. It's this ability of 9mm to produce enough energy and not over penetrate which makes me think it competes with the big guys. This depends what you mean by "outperforms the 9mm". Getting back to the point the 9mm gives less recoil and many cops nowadays cant shoot for shit. And if you shoot at a car,it sounds like a hammer when it hits,and the bad guys know its not a pop gun aiming down on them.They find the gas peddle most rikki tik. Simply stated, the faster they strike the faster they stop. .45 being a nuclear bomb!!! YouTube - Store data on what videos from YouTube the user has seen. I am still open to 9mm thats why I was considering the sig but I do love the style and extra safety features of the kimber. It's simple and I know the answer, velocity and follow up shots. That said, I'm splitting hairs, because I can handle both well enough, and I would feel well armed with either. hang yourself an old school iron skillet for a target. The 9mm NATO is equivalent to a slightly overpressure variant of the standard 9mm Luger. The hydrostatic shock of a .45 is inherently greater than a 9mm. Wound channels identical, higher capacity, better follow-up, more platforms to choose from, cheaper to shoot plus . chicks dig guys who carry 9mm. My "house gun" of choice: .45 Long Taurus Public Defender. But the idea that the .45 will stop a man in his tracks no matter where you shoot him is preposterous. (All listings are fps). Just ask yourself one question. Switching to the 9mm makes them look less sexist. I can shoot my Sig 17-round magazine all day and not feel my wallet getting lighter by the minute. Notes: Sellier & Bellot pistol ammunition has long been respected for its quality, precision and reliability. Compl ignoring the fact that it never works and it destroys nations. I only currently own 9 mm handguns. This helps ensure its continued low cost and widespread availability. Varmint applies to large game too.. Ha, Ha, Ha. In most cases, the larger the bullet you have, the slower the velocity. Modern forensicss indicates a .38 Special and up is just as any other side arm aka marginal. Soul people go to hell. This stands in contrast to the results from my .45 ACP test, which was relatively unaffected. The day after the craziness was all over and the police had finished up and gone, the body was gone and everyone was kinda trying to figure out what to do next, the homeowner took stock of the surroundings in the room where he had shot the intruder. Explain why, as a prior Ranger, why the rangers had the choice on what sidearm the wanted and decided on the Glock 17. Notify me of follow-up comments by email. They are not an ideal carry gun, howyever. My sidearm of choice has been the Gen 3 Glock 22 for years. Ultimately, both calibers are great to have. With a wider selection of officers being able to shoot handguns chambered in 919mm, many departments choose this caliber so they can standardize around a single firearm and loading, making logistics and supply easier. Anyway my grandfather died before his friend could teach me more. You might be wondering which caliberis better for youthe 9mm or the .45 ACP. Not true at all. In other words, when computing energy, you half the mass (as it counts less) and square or exponentially increase the velocity (because it accounts for more). "Subsonic for a bullet is slow"Again, your limited knowledge is apparent here. One of the most attractive things about choosing a 9mm for home defense is having more rounds at your disposal. I prefer the 45 ever since the military i jus had a thing for the 45 acp although I do own a couple few 9mm's and have favorite pistols in that caliber also love my custom 17. I'm not an expert on injuries caused by ammo though. In addition to this, the lower recoil, less wear, cheaper ammunition and higher capacity were all reasons that the report cited for the recent surge in orders of the ammunition from various police agencies. I guess a lot has to do with comfort of us & quality of placement. the 45 wins hands down over the 9mm. Stop trying to justify taking effective weapons away for less effective ones. That being said, every one raves about the FPS of the 9mm. I (thankfully) also have an overactive amygdala response that kicks in to take over. If a guy rushes you with a knife and you shoot him with a few rounds of 22lr in the chest he'll probably die. My primary indoor home defense weapons are only a .40 Smith & Wesson carbine and pistols chambered in .45 Auto and .40 Smith & Wesson. My 45ACP at 12 rounds was well on the way to chewing it apart. For reasons I can't quite explain, this particular powder just didn't get along with that rifle. This added pressure makes felt recoil from the 40 considerably snappier and more difficult to control. In short, we ALL live for ever: the only question is WHERE? With modern ballistics the 9mm went from weak and unreliable to usable. She is a small gal so it is perfect for her. I was wondering if Id be losing much by staying with the 4 inch barrel as opposed to the 5 inch. Best thing to do before buying, in my opinion, What I am saying is 9mm is a better round in all the metrics that matter.